Burqa etc.

Claire, actually I’m not in the exact mood of writing something like that. But the promise I’ve given you is annoying me like a homework waiting. 🙂

So here is a few points of my opinion about headscarves, burqa etc.

First of all, headscarve of tp put it exactly to cover the head is compulsory in Islam. It’s stated clearly in two verses. (There are some self-proclaimed experts within the last two decades claimed it’s not, though.) Like many issues covering is left to differ. Differ according to geography, culture etc.

Covering the face, using veil is not compulsory. Altough in certain occasions it’s “adviced”. But in todays circumstances it’s (in my opinion) leaving it aside it much more close to God’s willing. I’ll cut it here cause I have to give the references and bases and debates at this point which is meaningless.

In Turkey 67% of women are covering their heads, I guess 1% percent or less using burqas.

Again in Turkey, girls are not permitted to wear headscarves in Universities and in “public/state places”

They base their reasoning on secularism, state should be at the same differnce to all faiths, no religious signs should be… you know the story.

This is completely wrong. An application of our tyrant secularist elite. The people on the receving end of state services can be anything, anyone. They are receving not giving the service (ie studying in Uni. ).

And like the recent issue in UK, the cross in NHS, (or headscarve over here ) the service giving part can be debated.

I believe this point is superflous (if this is the word). The argument assumes that if the public officer shows / carries the sign of a certain belief, or political movement, that could cause discrimination, to my knowledge. By removing the sign could the belief, incliantion, the perspection , you name it, be changed? Of course not.

Also, headscarve may be a sign, but it’s a compulsory part of Islam. In Turkey, the ban led the girls leave their education. So created more problems.

Burqa is different. I believe muslim women living in west, should leave it. This is a product of a shallow /superflous mindset on “our” side. A muslims first and foremost burden is to represent Islam as good as s/he can (this is the definition of Jihad) . Beacuse (according to a believer) being faithless is cause of losing eternity. Therefore a true muslim fears from being a barrier between an observer and Islam. If the burqa is in this position right now (it is), and as it is not compulsory, I kind of see it a bit of selfish of those women/men who use it.

And you should keep in mind the immigrants are usually from the lower socio-economic clasess which are ignorant.

This is roughly what I think  about it.

Author: Levent

Errrm, ummm, well. Darn!

13 thoughts on “Burqa etc.”

  1. I know I omitted some steps in the logic. But I think you get my drift.
    You know the last minute done homeworks. I was never a good student anyway. 🙂

  2. Thanks Levent. Everyone’s got an opinion on this issue; I wanted to hear yours more than anyone’s because you are Muslim. You show a lot of awareness of both sides on this one.
    I will return to comment again later, tomorrow, when I’m not so tired 🙂

  3. As I understood it, the burqa is not a requirement of Islam. I listened to a very interesting debate of radio4 (the link was posted by Pseu) where a Muslim lawyer pointed out that at the biggest gathering of Muslims in the world, the hajj, there would not be one female face covered.

    The culture in the West has been to show one’s face – it is one of the ways in which we communicate and interact. Actually, when I think about it – it must be pretty hard in any culture for women to communicate and interact with their faces covered…

    It may, or may not be a political statement to wear a burqa in the West, but what it does seem to indicate to me is a clear message that the wearer does not want to participate in the culture and society in which the majority of them have chosen to live.

    As to the head covering… well, theoretically I have no problem with that, providing it does not get in the way. There was a young lady at one of the archives who seemed to spend more time readjusting her exceptionally large head scarf than delivering documents!

  4. When I was a boy most women wore scarves when they went out in the daytime. All I would say on this subject is that where head-coverings are banned – public places – for whatever ridiculous bureacratic reason, the ban should apply without discrimination. One law for all and if you don’t like it, change it.

    In my short time in Turkey, Levent, I have to say that headscarves were the exception rather than the rule on the streets.

  5. PS. If it’s a religious requirement, it’s ridiculous anyway. An omnipotent being who is worried about what a woman wears on her head? (Or a man on his chin!) It is to laugh.

  6. On one side of the argument you have human rights which defend individual freedom from state impositions and the other side you have the need for an effective state to ensure that the citizens of the country have the conditions in which to lead a satisfying fullfilling life.
    The headscarf is not at all offensive and one would like to say that people have the right to dress as they wish, that is the human rights aspect.
    But integration of the immigrants and immigrants’ children is essential if we are going to have harmonious and pleasant living conditions in our country. The presence of violence and no go areas, largely caused by a failure of integration, is a serious constraint to individual freedom.
    The headscarf had become a symbol of nonintegration. It bacame the symbol of residents that wished to impose their foreign culture on our country and prevent the people of their community becoming full citizens of our country, with all the benefits of education, jobs and social improvement that integration permit.We the people of France, in the majority desire that integration goes ahead and saw the headscarf as an impediment.
    In this case I believe the need to integrate is more important than to protect the particular individual freedom of headscarf wearers.So I am happy that we imposed limitaions on their use in public buildings. For the same reasons I support a complete ban on niqabs and burquas.

  7. There was a report in yesterday’s Le Figaro about a Muslim woman in France who was fined for driving while wearing a niqab, on the grounds that her vision was obscured. How odd that she should wear an item of clothing out of the Dark Ages while enjoying the technology of the modern western world.

    A sequel to the story is that farther investigation showed she was one of four wives of an Algerian, all of whom were claiming child benefits as single mothers. The husband may now be stripped of his French citizenship and deported, whether with or without 4 wives and 12 children was not clear.

  8. I have no objection to people wearing the burqa or the niqab. I see them all the time around me in Blackburn and Preston; I suppose I’ve just got used to it. A decade ago I used to go out half dressed with my mates in Liverpool, which some people might find that offensive; I know for a fact that the very idea of young women staggering around half dressed and drunk in public is abhorent and incomprehensible to a lot of French people. What I used to say to my French friends, then was ‘well, at least I have the choice to dress how I want.’ And choice, to my mind, is the crux of the matter. I have no objections to women wearing the burqa or the niqab in public; it does not offend my sensibilities and I don’t see it as contrary to British life – on the one condition that it truly is the wearer’s choice. If, however, it is not, then to me it automatically becomes a symbol of oppression.

  9. Bravo,

    The ban is ridiculous. I’ll not get into the religion/God debate. 😉
    You were in a touristic place. 67% of Turkish women are covering their heads.

    Richard,

    There are two points. Firstly, you put that into immigration. What about the converts? What if some significant number of French women convert and use headscarves? Would yo be in favour of a ban anyway?
    I thought secularism and freedom of belief are pillars what define being French. You somehow put it to some piece of cloth and tyranny.

    Sheona, you too are making the mistake of projecting west’s history to ours. Distanting from Christianity has led to enlightment in west. Whereas east reached it’s best days by Islam. Chalk and cheese. And I should add, judging something by the way it looks is quite shallow in my mind.

    Claire,

    Cheers! And your last sentence is spot on!

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