Badger Cull in Wales

If you are in favour of the badger cull in Pembrokeshire that is due to start in April, stop reading now. This is not for you. It is an information post for those who, like me, have followed the arguments back and forth and reached their decision, and  want to let the Welsh Assembly know they do not approve. I am not posting this here because I want to have an argument, I just want to pass on some information to anyone who may be interested.

You can register your disappointment in the decision to go ahead with the planned cull by writing to

Ms Elin Jones

Welsh Assembly Government Senedd Building

Cardiff Bay

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or emailing her at correspondence.elin.jones@wales.gsi.gov.uk, remembering to include your full name and address.

All correspondence should of course be politely worded. If you have decided to cancel a visit Wales or to boycott Welsh goods as a result of the decision to cull the badgers it would be be an opportunity to let the Welsh Assembly know.

Author: Isobel

I like animals, colour, the Thames, reading, cooking, writing, eating, walking I don't like bullies, butchers' shops, crowded public transp

38 thoughts on “Badger Cull in Wales”

  1. Evening Isobel

    How about a link setting out the pro’s and cons?

    Down here we treat these guys worse than rats, Walt Disney made a star out of him

    I used to buy my game from a rancher who every time I phoned him would offer me two or three Pumbas for free.

    If they are damaging the environment cull them, I imagine that they are probably out breeding the ecosystems, give me a link or two and I’ll make a decision.

  2. Hello Isobel

    You haven’t actually said ‘earlier’ , if you have I can’t find it.

    You may or not know that I’m a conservationist at heart, however when you arbitrarily decide to protect a single species because they appear soft and cuddly you are going down a rocky road.

    So, you aren’t going. to give me scientific reasons why the badgers should be preserved or culled.

    We will be culling upwards of 40,000 (forty thousand) elephants this year, I’m happy with that.

    How about whaling?

    I’m all for an increase in the quotas if it has been scientifically proven that the population is sustaining it.

    There is nothing worse than preserving the environment of a single predator at the expense of others.

  3. Hi Soutie I said ‘I am not posting this here because I want to have an argument, I just want to pass on some information to anyone who may be interested’.
    Can’t you access the link? I thought it showed up. You can read all sides of the argument through there I think. My decision is based on the scientific evidence not the soft and cuddly. I’ve followed it for quite a while. Actually I don’t think a badger would be very cuddly once it had grown up!
    Hope that helps. See you later. 😉

  4. Soutie, the proposed cull (I assume … we’ve had similar here) has to do with badgers carrying bovine TB … it has nothing to do with the numbers of badgers in relation to the ecosystem and other species. So it’s entirely different from the culls you mention.

    The question is whether the cull is justified in terms of the battle against the disease.

  5. Hello Brendano

    Would that be Swine Flu?

    A terrible terrible outbreak, we had it here about 4 or 5 years ago, the whole province was quarantined off from the rest of the republic.

    We would drive from here to the next province and be stopped at roadblocks with all meat products confiscated, it was obviously a bit slapdash but the out break was eventually nullified.

  6. Badgers are not cuddly by any stretch of the imagination but they are, I believe protected. This issue is solely about the spread of bovine TB, and having followed this closely, I understand the arguments and culling is not the answer, in my opinion. Farmers do have a point though, but they are more concerned, naturally with their dairy herds.

  7. Excellent, thanks Brendano and Ara

    I have a drink everyday day with the two provincial state vets here in the Eastern Cape, I’m going to ask them what gives.

    Of course we don’t have Badgers, but as I’ve proven here, it will be a great topic for discussion!

  8. Howzit Tochy

    Not that I’ve seen down here, what is it, looks like some sort of skunk?

  9. I remember the foot and mouth outbreak back in the 60s, every night the news was full of reports of marksmen roaming the countryside and forests and shooting at anything that flew, crawled, hopped or ran, nary a peep from animal rights campaigners as they had not been invented then, I guess there is always two sides to story, one will end up being right but by then it may be to late, sometimes it’s better to cover the cruel option, better safe than sorry, that’ll put the cat among the pigeons, oh dear, I’m obsessed by animals tonight.

  10. Tochy

    Mrs Soutie says that she’s heard of badgers up in the Northern Transvaal, I was there in a game reserve a couple of months ago, I’ll try and find my guide book!

  11. Soutie: I’m all in favour of culling animals which by no fault of their own have not enough territory to survive. Elephants on game reserves being a point in case. The herds need controlling for their survival. Better culling than starving to death.

  12. Oh crumbs. This seems to be developing into exactly the opposite of what I had intended. I guessed most people would have made up their minds. I’m not trying to persuade anyone of anything. You are adults, the facts are available, you can draw your own conclusions. Some of you will reach the same conclusions as I have, some of you will reach different conclusions. I just wanted to give those who might wish to register their protest with the Welsh Assembly a name and address and an e-address where they could do so.
    Cor blimey I wish it were the end of Lent and I could have a drink!

  13. Isobel
    I am a fully trained distance absolution giver licensed by the Vatican. I hereby absolve you from any further lentern duties, go to it my child and have one for me.
    Father O’Hooligan aka Oldmovieguy

  14. Isobel

    Isn’t it great?

    I was talking wildlife a minute ago and all of a sudden I’m thrown back to the seventies, courtesy of this post, thank you 🙂

    Please post something similar tomorrow, who knows where we will end up!

  15. OMG aka Pop O’H: Hmm, a. I am not Catholic b. maybe you are but as you talked of Mrs O’H you are either not a priest, or a very naughty one c. Lenten doesn’t have an ‘r’ in it d. you may have your own drink, I’m strictly water and fruit juice until – well when exactly, is it Easter Sunday or can I succumb on Friday?
    Souts, will do my best. 😉 Let’s see if we can get Brendano to do a seventies pop quiz for us for the weekend. Or do you want something more recherché?

  16. “Lenten doesn’t have an ‘r’ in it”

    I know, it’s just that I used to be a pirate and ‘r’ is my favourite letter.

  17. Soutie :

    Howzit Tochy

    Not that I’ve seen down here, what is it, looks like some sort of skunk?

    That is a Honey Badger Soutie. Very, very fierce or so they say.

  18. Isobel. Thanks. I’m against badger culling too. I’ll email. Fortunately all the threatened badger culls in the past in Glos have been called off. I’m not totally up to speed with the latest science, but when I last looked, there was no conclusive evidence to blame bovine TB directly on badgers – and a distinct lack of investigation into the role that wild deer play in the spread of TB.

  19. Tocino, Araminta and janh1, that’s nice to know 😉 So i’ll leave you to decide if you want to email or write to Ms Jones.
    I have just finished writing some Action Statements and feel quite worn down.

  20. May I suggest as you don’t live in Wales, are not cattle farmers and do not have your livelihood on the line it is very little to do with you.
    There are very few wild deer in Pembs, in fact I’ve never seen one! They are in Carms, escaped into the wilds in WWI.
    There is a considerable amount of bovine TB in West Wales, animals are regularly tested by MAFF vets, any animal is immediately slaughtered and the compensation is frequently not equivalent to the market price, besides which it may well be a member of a herd that has been family bred for over several generations. These considerations are more important than an excess of badgers.
    PS I really don’t think most of the Welsh actually want too many visitors, apart from Tenby the local economy is not particularly dependent on tourists and the English no longer go to St Davids its too much a Christian place, more USA tourists there so we really don’t mind if you stay at home.
    Welsh lamb gets higher prices on the continent too, so economic blackmail is really not an option.
    PPS the Welsh Assembly is voted in or out by the Welsh, no-one else!
    You are wasting your time.

  21. Tina: I could have written your comment for you, given five minutes. You no longer live in Wales. Utterly predictable but very amusing rant, nevertheless. We will do exactly what we feel is best. I’m sure you would do the same! 🙂

  22. Christina, who has lived in Wales, but who no longer lives in Wales and is unlikely to return to Wales (?), has spoken.

    Long live badgers!

  23. Off topic, Isobel, so apologies but just seen the latest stop press about slideshows. Looks interesting. Thank you, Bearsy, I presume. 🙂

  24. Christina seems to be assuming that a badger cull is an effective weapon against bovine TB … a moot point, I think, given the Irish experience as summarized in the link I give above.

  25. Brendano :

    Christina seems to be assuming that a badger cull is an effective weapon against bovine TB … a moot point, I think, given the Irish experience as summarized in the link I give above.

    I agree.

  26. I still pay income tax, property tax and have the right to vote in Wales.
    Frankly you disgust me to offer economic blackmail against part of the British Isles. In favour of what? A load of imported rubbish?

  27. Isobel, “All correspondence should of course be politely worded. If you have decided to cancel a visit Wales or to boycott Welsh goods as a result of the decision to cull the badgers it would be be an opportunity to let the Welsh Assembly know.”

    Hmm, that does sound a bit like electioneering. I am not sure that you can claim that you do not want to have a discussion about it and then go and make such a provocative remark. While I do not know enough about the subject to comment on the merits of culling, I do sympathise with Christina’s irritation based on your call to arms. My view would be to let the local people decide. Outside interference is usually misguided.

  28. Sipu a call to arms is exactly not what this is about. I do need seek to persuade anyone as you will see if you read my post here and comments. This is information for those who have already made up their minds that the cull is wrong. If you disagree,that is your prerogative.

    AS to leaving things to local people, well I think I made my position clear on another post about standing up and being counted.

  29. I reckon you Waleans can count on Hillary to do her ‘dea ex machina’ here and sort out your little local difficulty. She sorted the Balkans, she sorted Ireland – so Wales must be a breeze for such a star.

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