19 thoughts on “Don’t shoot”

  1. One comment I’d make here Soutie … I occasionally listen in to the recorded trial proceedings but the accent and drawling manner of the prosecuting barrister sets my teeth on edge. I can’t see a jury being able to see daylight when so much laborious evidence is laid out in such minute detail. Whether the guy was on crutches or not, he is guilty as hell in my eyes, but then I’m prejudiced as I think he is a spoilt, arrogant and whimpering brat.

  2. Morning PapaG

    No jury here, just the Judge and accessors if required.

    There’s no doubt that he’s guilty, he’s admitted shooting her, the trial is to determine guilty of what (1st degree, manslaughter etc.) and how long he’s gonna sit.

    Even if the “intruder” defence is accepted, you just can’t go round shooting people in the back (even if they are “intruders”) and definitely not through doors!

    This trial is merely about deciding whether he’ll get 10/15 years or 25/life.

  3. Soutie, not wishing to open the can of worms (!) I was struck by evidence that there were blood spatters in the bedroom (whose?) which suggests a dispute (presumably) before the shooting.

  4. To be honest Jay, I have hardly watched any of it, and read / listen to as few opinions as possible except if I happen to hear the odd reports while driving.

    Having said that, I did hear the doctor describe ‘excessive’ bruising on Reeva, suggesting (possibly) a beating which could be the cause of the bedroom stains.

    (You have no idea how my blood boils when I here stuff like that)

  5. What sort of man takes a gun to dinner, never mind discharging it while there and then tries to get someone else to take the blame? Credibility zero, in my eyes

  6. jhleck :

    What sort of man takes a gun to dinner,

    Hi Jh
    Let me answer this, if you leave your house with a firearm it’s best to keep it on you, the fines and penalties for ‘losing’ a gun are harsh and the procedures extremely bothersome.

    If an individual feels the need to carry his weapon, say, he’s been driving on rural roads, returning from the firing range, the last thing that you do is leave it in the car, even in the boot! Cars get stolen.

    Taking the gun ‘to dinner’ or anywhere else is in my opinion completely normal, discharging it is not only reckless but also a criminal offence. Is ‘discharging a weapon in public’ not also on the current charge sheet?

  7. Soutie :

    Having said that, I did hear the doctor describe ‘excessive’ bruising on Reeva, suggesting (possibly) a beating which could be the cause of the bedroom stains.

    (You have no idea how my blood boils when I here stuff like that)

    I missed that and yes, he’s obviously a real hero. 😦

  8. I suspect that Oscar’s blood was boiling and that is why he behaved the way he did. Irrational anger is a dangerous thing.

    I have asked myself the question, why was Reeva with him in the first place? The answer I get: is for all the wrong reasons. The man had a history of being unstable. I have never met the guy but even I had heard from people who had, that he was an arrogant, ill-mannered thug; and that was long before the shooting occurred. Reeva, with her network of friends and her ‘celebrity’ background, must have known a good deal about his character and past behaviour. What was a ‘sweet, angelic, intelligent’ girl doing with a jerk like him. Could it be that he was rich and famous and that his fame could enhance her less-than-stellar career? (What sort of person seeks to become a ‘TV reality star’ anyway?)There has been speculation that she had been texting another boyfriend and that is what caused the argument. That may or may not be true, but it is hard to imagine that Oscar did not show all the signs of being a very jealous and volatile person. The fact of the matter is that he has grown up to be a volatile ars*hole and when you hang around ars*holes you are liable to get covered in sh*t.

    Oscar is clearly deeply, deeply remorseful about what he did.While a cynic might remark that his remorse is self-directed, I don’t believe that he is not deeply saddened and horrified by the loss of Reeva’s life and that it was he who killed her and I am quite prepared to believe that he did love her as much as he is able to love anybody.

    Given his challenged upbringing and the subsequent fame thrust upon him and no doubt sought by him and his family and hangers-on, it would take an exceptional person to achieve that level of success without some damage being done to his character. But damaged his character most certainly is and a celebrity-besotted society has its part to play in creating such a screwed up person. The tragedy of Reeva’s death is made all the more so by the international media circus attached to the trial. I feel deeply sorry for both people and for their families and I fear the case does not reflect well on society.

    Of course if this was France, it would be considered a crime of passion and he would have got off.

  9. It rather struck me that his whole attitude to life is the ill considered none too bright reaction to his own disability.
    Not easy living without feet and the attendent low body image. She was an attempt at compensation.With not a brain cell between them hardly a surprise how it ended up.
    Two stupid people with widely differing agenda.

  10. Not looking good for OP. The defence has failed to explain away the reports of screams and a late-night meal which conflict with OP’s statement. Interesting to see which, if any, witnesses appear for the defence after the prosecution case ends next week.

  11. christinaosborne :

    It rather struck me that his whole attitude to life is the ill considered none too bright reaction to his own disability.
    Not easy living without feet and the attendent low body image. She was an attempt at compensation.With not a brain cell between them hardly a surprise how it ended up.
    Two stupid people with widely differing agenda.

    I always had the impression that Pistorius believed that he would win a medal in the 2012 Olympics. While he did defeat several able-bodied runners, I suspect he felt disappointed at his own performance and this feeling would remain with him. On the other hand, knowing that when you take your prosthetics off and go to bed you are more vulnerable when it comes to dealing with intruders – SA being as it is – must be very worrying.

  12. Soutie, good evening.

    Your #12. I will leave it to My Lady Thokozile Masipa to determine his guilt. .

    If this were Scotland, I would think that the unexpected adjournment means that there has been discussion out of Court and that Oscar is about to change his plea and to throw himself on her mercy. I have no idea what it means in your jurisdiction.

    Whatever happens, thank you for introducing me to the work of Zapiro aka Jonathan Shapiro. Reminiscent of Low for me.

  13. John Mackie :
    I would think that the unexpected adjournment means that there has been discussion out of Court and that Oscar is about to change his plea and to throw himself on her mercy. I have no idea what it means in your jurisdiction.

  14. JM, ref. my #17, the prosecutor asked for time to line up his ‘four or five’ ‘last’ witnesses. Meanwhile OP is selling the house to cover ‘unexpected’ defence costs.

    No idea what comes next!

  15. I was under the (obviously) false impression that the trial would probably conclude this week, it was originally scheduled for 3 weeks (i.e. to end last Friday.)

    This from my daily read this morning…

    ” Meanwhile, Lulama Luti, spokeswoman for the Office of the Chief Justice, confirmed the trial’s extension until the middle of May. She said the trial would run from today until April 4 and then break for the court recess, from April 7 to April 11.

    “The trial will then resume on April 14 and continue until May 16. “

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