Much as it would please me to meet this guy somewhere quiet and have a word in his shell-like, I am forced to agree with the blasted European court in this instance. If there is evidence that this odious individual has committed a crime – and there seems to be plenty, even if it is under the egregious ‘hate-crime’ laws which I also despise – then he should be charged, banged up and then deported.
I believe it is entirely wrong that our political ‘leaders,’ should advocate setting aside the hard-won rights of HM subjects, rather than getting the bar-steward into court and serving him up his just deserts. And, yes, I would agree that this Rshole is as much of a British subject as Deng Xiao Ping, but, for better for worse, he is, blast it, entitled to the protection of the law of this Land as much as I am, one law for all, bugrit again!
There, the other side of the Bravo coin to set against my views in the Assange and Dewani affairs.
Boadicea's Chariot 
You may be legally right, but what of British citizens who have committed no crime here being deported to foreign countries to face a crime they may or may not have committed there, a crime that may not even be a crime here?
Personally I think we should use the bloke as tarmac for the M25 resurfacing.
RR, I agree entirely, on both counts, but I think this … can’t think of a term which indicates frothing at the mouth as well as not being too offensive for the gentler charioteers… anyway, his case goes to the right of all of us not to be packed off to some foreign jurisdiction without due cause. I would strongly suggest that charges of rape and murder actually do constitute due cause.
I hope our feckless and pusillanimous leaders get this … into court at the earliest opportunity.
I have to agree with you on this, Bravo, unfortunately.
He is wanted on charges of terrorism in various other countries, but not here apparently. Jordan would be perfectly happy to have him, and we would be happy to assist, but there is apparently insufficient evidence to put him on trial here. There either is, or there isn’t, as far as I am concerned, and if there isn’t he should not be deported to Jordan.
Being an odious suspected terrorist nutter is not illegal, unless they have evidence to prove it!
Bolleaux!
The rights of any individual must be earned not taken for granted.
This is just another gut churning episode of PC shite and piss. The aerosol openly supports 9-11 and jihad against all that is non muslim. He is a primtive ape of the lowest denomination. Save the carbon footprint, off the scumbag and use him as fuel for the national grid.
It amazes me that as a nation we can condemn one man pre judis on charges of alledged racism without a backward glance, but th ebleeding hearts pretend to give a flying fornication about this complete and utter oxygen thief.
Bravo, you and I have usually seen eye to eye but we are poles apart on this one.
Ferret: +1. The man is of no use to the world except as an example.
But that is rather the point, Furry One, none of us do give a flying whatsit about this man, but some of us do believe in justice and the rule of law, and more particularly the concept that one is innocent until proven guilty.
He is just as much entitled to the protection of the law as you are, and so far, they don’t seem to have any charges that will stick, as far as I can see.
I’m not sure about no charges that will stick, but, Ferret, as Araminta says, I am, through gritted teeth, agreeing that the perfidious politicians have it wrong on this one – they habeus his corpus almost on false pretences. Charge the Rsehole and lock him up or let him go.
If they had anything with which they could charge him, Bravo, they would not be using all this “anti-terrorist” legislation which as you say, is absolutely contrary to the safeguards of habeas corpus, which safeguards the individual from arbitrary state action, so yes, prove it in court or let him go.
Fook me you two,
This scum takes every oportunity to say he approves of terrorism against the unbeliever. IT applauds killing in the name of Allah. By its own admission it supports violence and terror in the name of jihad. And under that beard it is laughing its incredibly small dick off at the stupidity of PC eejits who afford it the same rights as any normal human being.
Minty MBE,
I am very dissapointed with your anything claim.
They have discharged Terry from his post and sacked Capello over an unproven rumour, where is the habeus corpus there?
A letter appears on the doormat saying a vehicle registered to you was seen speeding. You are guilty and must pay a fine and take points on your licence or provide the details of the guilty party. Where is the habeus corpus?
A black person establishes a magazine called The Voice, a periodical for black people. The police allow a Black Police Officers Organisation. Cambuffoon says we need to favour wmon when recruiting executives regardless of their ability to actually do the fucking job.
Am I the only one around here who has smelt the coffee?
Bearsy.
But are you confusing the European Court of Human Rights, with the Luxembourg mob? It seems to be that Bravo and I are in favour of exactly what you are saying our fathers fought to protect, see my comments above.
It was, in fact, in my opinion the last socialist government which used terrorism as an excuse to ignore one of the most fundamental rights of the English Legal System, that is Habeas Corpus!
Sorry, Furry, but I agree with you about trial by media, I bang on about it all the time, but this sort of proves my point.
So, what evidence do you have to prove that this particular purported terrorist, is guilty, save that which you have read in the press?
Moreover, why, if the evidence is so overwhelming why don’t they just charge him with the offence in a court of law?
The ECHR verdict stopped his extradition to Jordan, not a trial in the UK.
Ferret no you are not alone. Bravo is stating the law and not common sense and how we all feel. The man (and I use the term loosely) has not committed a crime here other than one of incitement to hatred, therefore the best thing to do is send him back to Jordan where they can do whatever they want to him.
As for footballers, you must realise that Terry’s crime was the worst possible thing possible, he called a black person a black c**t, now I don’t know about the c**t bit but the guy was black, therefore Terry spoke a half truth, but he used the word black. 🙂
the only crimes that are considered serious now are any discrimination cases and motoring offences, everything else is petty, with the worst crime being anything against Islam.
Minty MBE,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16584923
If we can sentence Brit born teenagers to 10+ years in jail for even hinting at a riot on Facefook or twatter, why should there be one single ounce of conscience over handing this outspoken slime over to his homeland?
There is a cackload of evidence all provided by this piece of sputum. Just google it.
Minty MBE,
“Sorry, Furry, but I agree with you about trial by media”
Forgive me dear heart, but where at any time did I say anything which remotely equated to “trial by meeja”?
Furry One.
Yes, of course one can google opinion, but this is precisely the point, as you rightly mentioned with regard to Terry and Capello, but it has to stand up in a court of law! It’s ludicrous that opinion should be allowed to prejudice events in such a way, but that’s another one of my hobby horses.
You just need to apply it in this case, and yes, it may be entirely possible that he is a terrorist, by information gleaned in the press and our government may well support this view, as do most of us here on this thread, so why don’t they just charge him?
Bearsy,
I have not passed any opinion on the guilt or innocence of Assange on this thread, and my rather hazy recollection of my opinion on this matter, is that I supported your view!
Furry.
“There is a cackload of evidence all provided by this piece of sputum. Just google it.”
Yes, indeed, so why don’t they charge him? There must be a reason, Furry.
Anyhow, it’s late, and I seem to have rather taken over Bravo’s post, for which I apologise.
Night night all!
Shot, Bearsy? Bit harsh, don’t you think, I demand a fair trail. 😉
or even “trial” !
Phew, thank you, I shall now rest easy in my bed, Bearsy. 🙂
Erm,
Last time I looked Minty MBE he was under arrest.
I am not talking about meeja reporting, I am talking about the speeches made by Abu himself. Cold, hard facts that he condones violence in the name of his religion. Never mind condones how about demands.
At a time when we are arresting, charging and locking up people for what they are thinking of doing, I find all this very hard to accept.
This cleric is a savage, his home is populated by savages I say throw him back. I would give it no more thought than tossing a piece of old meat to a pack of dogs. Maybe thats a little unfair, the dogs have some standards.
Whoa, back the bus up a bit. I haven’t pre-judged anything here, merely pointed out that I think someone accused of a serious crime – rape or murder – ought to face his/her accusers. In the two cases I mentioned, it seems to me that the accusers have made a case which needs to be answered, and should be.
In the case of this Rsehole – and I share fully the sentiments about him forcefully expressed above – it seems to me that the case has not been made and so the authorities must be made to put up or shut up. The fact that this has to be pointed out be the EU court of yooman rights is yet another stain on the reputation of our ‘justice’ system – and I agree with the charioteers who write, forcefully, that ‘something must be done.’
The ‘something,’ in my view, is to remove ourselves from the jurisdiction of the EU courts – and repeal the Acts of Parliament which enshrined the EU yooman rights legislation in our law – and, in passing, the whole EU ‘thing’ except insofar as it concerns trade, which is, after all, what we signed up to in the first place and also what those of us who were alive and of voting age at the time actually voted for in the only question the electorate has ever been actually asked about the whole, sorry shebang.
This Rsehole’s case actually encompasses, in my view, all of the objections to my post raised by charioteers above, with all of which, after careful re-reading, I fully agree. It also seems to me that there is enough evidence to charge him under existing laws – many of which I also disagree should be laws in the first place and which seem to be very selectively applied…
The case remains, however, that the charges against this Rsehole, subject to which he is being held, seem to be without a solid foundation, so, forget them and bang him up for the offences which he has, in my view, without a doubt committed.
We might not agree with a law – and there are many with which I don’t, it is a law and should apply equally to all. If it is bad law, then it often takes a case like this one to bring it home to people and stir enough feeling to get something done about it, but, until then, it is the law. Unless we uphold the rule of law, flawed as it may be, we are left with what? Kneecappings? Tarring and feathering? Lynchings? Been there, seen it, (as have a couple of others here,) and it is not, erm, ‘nice.’
Here’s a timely quote from an article in today’s newspaper:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9064096/We-have-European-opt-outs-so-why-not-use-them.html
Sorry, Bearsy, ‘…plain wrong…mind obviously closed…’ is not an argument.
Morning Furry.
Your #24. No he is not under arrest here, which again is the point, He’s in detention and has been so for some years. He is or was in Belmarsh and no charges have been brought against him in this country for lack of evidence,
Bravo.
I think you are right about the opt out, but specifically to do with the current situation with regard to Abu Qatada, I think it is a bit of a SNAFU of our own making.
The then Government granted him political Asylum in 1993 when he came in under an assumed name with a false passport. They have been trying to deport him ever since!
There is no evidence to try him in this country, no one else where he is wanted are willing to have him except Jordan, where he has been convicted in his absence from testimony gained by torture.
It would appear that just looking at it with a view, as one should, that he might be innocent, it would seem that the decision by the ECHR is in fact correct.
Let us put it this way. If he was white, and he went round suggesting that all Muslims should be bumped off, he would be in jail in a matter of milliseconds. As always, the legal system in the UK is two faced and also lacks any form of common sense.
But FEEG, he has been in jail for ten years, he’s not white and he is a Muslim!
The law is an ass, change it.
Meanwhile a nice quiet garrotting or an unfortunate accident would be in order.
It is absolutely totally fucking disgusting that these wogs are granted citizenship in the first place.
Go get ’em, gel!