40 thoughts on “An excellent summary”

  1. I recommended ‘Die Stille Islamisierung,’ from Der Spiegel some time ago.

    It doesn’t matter, the real war will begin before the demographics can have their full effect. Fascists always kick things off too soon.

    Not so, however, the Chinese.

  2. Hi, Bravo.

    With the utmost respect, this analysis of the inter-war period in Europe and, inter alia, the alleged and continuing effect on the British psyche, by this driven American individual with his ludicrous attempts to equate that period with the times in which we now live is, in my opinion, the biggest load of keech that I have had to suffer watching in many a long year. It is also, in my opinion, an insult to the memory of all of those Britons and democratic fellow-travellers who died in both World Wars and to the survivors who tried to make world peace, however muddle-headedly, thereafter.

    Still, thanks for sharing and I could, of course, be wrong.

  3. John Mackie :

    Hi, Bravo.

    With the utmost respect, this analysis of the inter-war period in Europe and, inter alia, the alleged and continuing effect on the British psyche, by this driven American individual with his ludicrous attempts to equate that period with the times in which we now live is, in my opinion, the biggest load of keech that I have had to suffer watching in many a long year. It is also, in my opinion, an insult to the memory of all of those Britons and democratic fellow-travellers who died in both World Wars and to the survivors who tried to make world peace, however muddle-headedly, thereafter.

    Still, thanks for sharing and I could, of course, be wrong.

    Well said, Mr Mackie, Sir.

    Beats the hell out of my somewhat over-egged irony.

    Signed Araminta (well known coward and apologist)

  4. I continue to wonder if you actually read what I write, Araminta. I have voiced the opinion often enough that the real war will begin when a nuclear or sub-nuclear device is detonated in a ‘western’ city.

    As for the demographics, I have not looked at them properly, so I confess that I am not sure what the ‘full effect’ would look like, though the spread of immigrant ghettos across Europe is apparent enough.

    All of which is rather beside the point of the video I posted, which is about attitudes. Appeasement never works, never has, never will and those who advocate ‘the medicine as before,’ are like kissball fans who keep watching TV replays in the hooe that the result will be different, ‘this time.’

  5. JM. I would tend to agree. Given the events beginning in 1939, his argument tends to fail. The message about appeasement and tolerance is what prompted me to post this video.

  6. Ah, yes, I do remember the nuclear option you voiced, Bravo, but no I’m afraid you are right, I do not hang on to your every word.

    The point of your video Bravo is in my opinion rather more to do with the current anti-Obama campaign in the US, neatly dovetailed with anti-Islam hysteria, and all to do with a planning application for a non mosque to be built in New York. Load of tosh, but that’s only my opinion. The nonsense about the two world wars has been covered quite nicely by Mr. Mackie.

  7. Appeasement and tolerance never work, never have, never will.
    It is always interpreted as weakness and vulnerability.
    One can only wish ‘they’ would kick it off by leaving their dirty bomb in some well known centre of appeasement and orifice licking such as the BBC, that at least would do us a serious favour!

  8. ‘Anti-muslim hysteria.’ So it can’t possibly be the case that the somewhere around two-thirds of Americans (opinion polls, I know as well as you do,) actually have sincere feelings about this, could it? Just a load of tosh that doesn’t count, is it?

  9. Gawd lp us , Bravo, if you and your hawkish Yankee mates get your way. It’s ironic so many of them claim to be admirers of John the Baptist, whose militancy was restricted to spriritual battles.

  10. At least no one round here is going to lick up to them as they do in the UK. Liberals are in far greater short supply here than there.
    Thank God! Can’t have another country going down the tubes.

  11. christinaosborne :

    At least no one round here is going to lick up to them as they do in the UK. Liberals are in far greater short supply here than there.
    Thank God! Can’t have another country going down the tubes.

    Yeah right, so who exactly voted for Obama in the first place?

  12. The difference between UK and USA is that over there racism is a given among the so-called Republicans.

  13. I cannot even believe they are contemplating this.

    Extremists carried out this attack in the name of religion, to contemplate building a shrine to that religion, one alien to the native population, on the spot where it occured is nothing short of lunacy.

    To demand that it be allowed is most definitely an insult to those who died. Whichever ever way you butter it.

  14. I agree with you Ferret. Not only that, the further you bend over to appease them, the easier it becomes to get shafted!

  15. The proposed location is not Ground Zero; it is two blocks away.
    It is not a mosque, it is intended to be a community centre with a mosque as part of the building.
    The project is backed by the Mayor of New York and various religious groups, and has now had the support of the President of the United States.

    Since the project has recently become politicised it seems that recent polls indicate that over sixty percent of New York residents oppose the plan. It is by no means certain that the project will ever be completed and there are moves afoot to relocate it.

  16. Janus :

    Gawd lp us , Bravo, if you and your hawkish Yankee mates get your way. It’s ironic so many of them claim to be admirers of John the Baptist, whose militancy was restricted to spriritual battles.

    Janues, it is not I and my ‘awkish’ mates who will detonate a device…

    Janus : As Araminta would say, what a lot of tosh.

    The difference between UK and USA is that over there racism is a given among the so-called Republicans.

  17. Interesting. So 60% of New Yorkers oppose the building of the mosque because it has been politicised? No room for honest feelings at all, then?

  18. A Time magazine poll being released Thursday found that nearly seven in 10 Americans are following the story closely and that
    61 percent oppose the mosque. The poll also found that
    43 percent of Americans hold unfavorable views of Muslims, far outpacing the numbers for Mormons (29 percent), Catholics (17 percent), Jews (13 percent) and Protestants (13 percent). In the poll, 25 percent say most Muslims in the United States are not patriotic Americans.

    From the Washington Post:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081802582_2.html?wpisrc=nl_most&sid=ST2010081806973

  19. bravo22c :

    Interesting. So 60% of New Yorkers oppose the building of the mosque because it has been politicised? No room for honest feelings at all, then?

    The project, Bravo was mooted some years ago and attracted very little attention until just recently; so I would argue that it has been “politicised”, and no doubt there is some genuine honest feeling too but did you read my earlier link in comment # 16?

  20. So, you acknowledge that there are honest feelings involved. Since that is the case, is there any reason why those feelings should not merit consideration? Or, is tolerance and understanding a one way street?

  21. No, honest feeling are fine Bravo and so is tolerance, but did you not post this video clip to say that tolerance is not to be tolerated? 😉

    I am perfectly willing to take honest feelings into account, but let us backtrack here, and there is nothing honest about your video clip, in my opinion. But I have explained why I think the clip is tosh, and I stand by that. If you feel it is “an excellent summary”, I don’t have a problem.

    Good discussion though.

  22. So, tolerance is, in fact a one-way street then. It is incumbent for one side to tolerate the other, but not for the other to return the gesture.

  23. No, I think tolerance is fine, and deep down, I suspect you do too.

    Now as for the others, that may well be a different discussion,

  24. bravo22c :

    So, tolerance is, in fact a one-way street then. It is incumbent for one side to tolerate the other, but not for the other to return the gesture.

    Virtue doesn’t demand reciprocation – or even a reward! The Bible doesn’t say, “Do unto others only what they do unto you.”

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