73 thoughts on “Sadly prophetic”

  1. No, not prophetic at all. Freddy was a great singer, but he was also a raving poofta. Please do not even begin to associate that perversion with love. It may be legal to be a poofta, but it’s still morally repugnant.

  2. Freddie was a wonderful charismatic singer, musician, entertainer. Nice reminder, Zen.

    Can’t share your view, Bearsy, as I feel homosexuality has more to do with biology than personal choice. Gender is like a piece of string. None of us can choose exactly whereabouts on that thread we are.

  3. Before he turned he lived in a steady relationship with a woman in London whose son was taught by my daughter at pre-prep school. In his dying days he went back to this lady who looked after him till the end. She was his beneficiary, and, according to my daughter, was a very caring woman. Whether or not the boy was his we shall never know.

  4. So perhaps there was some real love in his life, Zen.

    Janh1 – I do not ask you to share my view, which is undoubtedly unfashionable. Whether the cause is nature or nurture, the act remains repulsive.

  5. What a totally beautiful song Zen. I vaguely remember it from uni days but had no idea it was QUeen. Thanks for pTtting it up.
    Bearsy; you sound just like my dad! I have this striking memory of watching Boy George on telly in Karma Chameleon when I was a little girl, and my dad saying, in total distaste/disgust, ‘He’s gay!’ I looked at him in bewilderment, and he said,’DO you know what that means? It means he likes men.’
    I reckon it’s a generational thing; to me it’s as irrelevent as, say, hair colour, or accent or something.

  6. No Claire – not a generational thing at all, just a different way of looking at the world … 🙂

  7. Bearsy; well I do feel like young idiot at times on here! My dad is still young in ways though 😉
    Boa; perhaps. But people of my parents’ generation sometimes do have more conservative view on things like homosexuality.

  8. Okay, now it’s the blondes turn. I’m pleased Zen has added the story about our lovely Freddie, saves me doing it. Freddie was indeed a great showman, great showman are rare, very rare indeed. Freddie was a lovely man, Freddie was bisexual, not homosexual; his love for Mary was evident, which is why he left her and the boy his entire estate. He was privately educated and won scholarship to university. He wanted to write a song that people would sing long after his death, he wanted his song to be sung at all manner of festivals and celebrations; he did just that; ‘We are the Champions’ is indeed his anthem, an anthem sung the world over.
    Freddie didn’t need an anthem, his music goes before him, nuff said.
    I LOVE FREDDIE MERCURY xxxxxx Good on yer Zen, you’ve made this girl very happy today.

  9. Bearsy – I’m with you on this one, but do you really want me to post the Monty Python “No pooftas” clip?

    OZ

  10. Homosexual acts are repulsive. Let’s recall it involves inserting a penis in a tube full of faeces. Let’s also recall that a major function of the colon and bowel is to reclaim water from the waste. The lining of the bowel is therefore a semi-permeable membrane and, since the HI virus is a pretty weak little bugger, the bowel and colon make ideal entry points for the virus in it’s little protective coccon of seminal fluid. The main risk indicators for aids, in the West, and despite the hype and spin still current, are unprotected anal sex and sharing of needles among drug addicts.

  11. I think we should remember, Zen didn’t post this video clip for a discussion about Freddie’s sexuality, he posted a video clip of a much loved and talented entertainer. Queen are amongst the most talented musicians around, Brian May is possibly the best guitarist, 2nd of course to the god himself, Eric Clapton, of all time. Queen would have been nothing with Freddie, and Freddie would have been nothing without Queen, they were unique in so many ways. Watch Freddie and Queen perform ‘Who wants to live forever’ and you’ll see what I mean.
    Watch Freddie in any of his operatic performances, you’ll see what what I mean.
    Freddie’s sexuality doesn’t, and shouldn’t enter into his and Queens talent and success.
    They speak for themselves.

  12. I agree with all you say Val. Just for you and any other Queen fans:-

    Queen. Who Wants To Live Forever.

  13. Unexpected but lively discussion. If you read into his background, you will see Freddie did not belong anywhere. As with most people in this situation, he overdid things somewhat in an attempt to compensate. He succeeded brilliantly in every way but one, and that one killed him.

  14. valzone :

    Freddie’s sexuality doesn’t, and shouldn’t enter into his and Queens talent and success.
    They speak for themselves.

    Well said, valzone.

  15. Thank you Brendano.
    tocino., thank you, I’m sure Zen enjoyed that too. Freddie did a version of this with a choir, goose bumps time.
    Freddie designed the eagle that is always mounted on high with them, it will always be there too.
    Nobody could work an audience quite like Freddie. The Arts channel often show his biography, if you get the chance to watch it, please do, you’ll see the real Freddie. God bless him.

  16. What repulses me is when people make their sex lives a public affair — it shouldn’t be, that much is obvious. It is also true that people, regardless of their persuasions, who take too many risks usually do not end up with luck on their side. That is not intended to be the justification of someone’s death.

  17. Bravo: smoking three packs a day is playing with fire, riding a motorcycle is taking a greater risk, living in much of California is dangerous. If people are cautious and careful in how they live they are usually at a lower risk for tragedy.

  18. Bravo, Freddie did smoke, I don’t know how many of course, unlike Charlotte Church who IS a 3 pack a day smoker, yep 60 a day. Whatever the cause of anyone’s death, it’s always a sad loss.

    If this post has proved anything, it has shown that none of has the right to make offensive remarks about someone we know nothing about, based purely on assumptions, and lack true knowledge.

  19. Wait. I made a comment about the practice of homosexual acts and, in particular, unprotected anal sex – which is pretty damn offensive in itself.

  20. Bravo22c: worldwide the majority of HIV/AIDS cases are found in women. In the United States over 60pc are found in the Afro-American community. The problem is not male homosexual intercourse in itself, it is the reckless lack of reason which is the greatest reason for its spread. In San Francisco 25pc of homosexual males have HIV/AIDS and it has, for many, become a source of pride — a rite of passage. In Africa many women puncture holes in condoms in order to render them useless. In some countries the president had unprotected intercourse of dubious consent with a woman he knew was HIV positive and believed that by taking a shower afterwords he would not have anything to worry about.

  21. I don’t want to wade in with great big boots on, but I have several gay friends, and though I don’t like to think what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, they are lovely people who have no choice over their sexuality.

    The fact is that many straight people enjoy the same act, not saying that I am one of them but I do know of some that find it exciting and enjoy it.

    My best friend is gay, he fought it for years, wether or not, his homosexuality over ruled his desire to remain ‘straight’. Since he has come out he has never been happier. He is living the life that he wants to up in london, spending the ‘pink pound’ and has a wonderful partner, probably much happier than most of the other people I know.

    I know his background, and maybe his enviroment was partly to blame for which way he swung, I also know of a young lady, one of my friends daughters, who is gay, and if you look at her background, which I won’t go into her, but there could be evidence to suggest that she has never had any positive make role models in it and the ones that have been involved have not been a positive influence.

    There is evidence of homosexuality all the way through history, in fact, and am sure someone on here will correct me, but it was either the romans or the greeks who used to take wives to reproduce, but in fact had gay partners throughout their lives and the more they had, the bestter their stand in society was.

    ( Sorry Zen, had to just put my point across.)

    xxx

  22. Kate; well said – couldn’t have put it better myself luv! I think sexuality is not a black and white affair; more of a blend of different shades of grey, and some people wake up one day to find themselves at the other end of it, if you get my drift.
    Personally, I think it is totally biological/hormonal, rather than attributable to sociological or social factors. Some women are just born with more testosterone, some men with less etc etc. Some of us may have dallied on the other side for a time, but that is trivial and insignificant; in no way comparable to the hugely brave and difficult decision that gay people make, to be openly gay in what is largely a heterosexual society. No way I could do it; not for all the tea in China!

  23. christophertrier :

    What repulses me is when people make their sex lives a public affair — it shouldn’t be, that much is obvious.

    It doesn’t so much repulse me as make me sad that so many people seem to see themselves only through their sexual preferences. Having a discussion with a young woman one day, she suddenly threw in that she was lesbian, and was a bit stunned when the response was “so what? – How does that relate to the subject under discussion?” The answer, of course, was nothing.

  24. BOa – yes that is a very pertinent point you make there. Reminds me a bit of a friend, who at uni one day in my room, suddenly said, without any warning whatsoever, ‘By the way, I’m gay’. I thought she was coming on to me so I just ignored it; in a kind of hope-it-goes away ‘Don’t mention the war’ way. She was mightily offended needless to say.
    In my experience, a lot of gay people feel the need to assert themselves because they find themselves in a minority.

  25. claire2 :

    In my experience, a lot of gay people feel the need to assert themselves because they find themselves in a minority.

    Bit like red-heads? 🙂

  26. Valzone 18 and Kate 34 🙂 🙂
    If people love one another, are kind and considerate, what does it matter whether they are gay, straight or a bit of both?

  27. Boa: I couldn’t possibly comment! But I’m sure not many of them do it as articulately as you!
    Isobel; yes I agree totally.

  28. The “holier-than-thou” crowd here should take a moment to re-read the title of this post – Sadly prophetic – and the title of the song – Too much love will kill you. Zen introduced the homosexual dimension right from the start, so the disapproving comments from some of you are way off topic. In particular –

    If this post has proved anything, it has shown that none of has the right to make offensive remarks about someone we know nothing about, based purely on assumptions, and lack true knowledge.

    is so way off beam that I wonder if the author had actually read anything that had been said, or was merely giving vent to her prejudices without regard for the facts.

    Freddy was a poof and publicised his deviant sexuality as part of his public persona. He died of AIDS.

    I remarked that one should not equate his actions with “love”. This was not based on assumptions and it was not an offensive statement to make. I have every right to make that remark, which is founded on fact and on the reasonable conviction that it corrupts and distorts the English language to equate the lust involved in sticking one’s prick up another man’s arsehole with the concept of “love”. It demeans and debases “love”.

    To suggest that I, and a few others, should not comment on the unpleasantness of the reality of homosexuality, and to assert that we are being offensive in doing so, is the epitome of political correctness and bubble-headed adherence to societal fashion.

  29. Bearsy :

    The “holier-than-thou” crowd here should take a moment to re-read the title of this post – Sadly prophetic – and the title of the song – Too much love will kill you. Zen introduced the homosexual dimension right from the start, so the disapproving comments from some of you are way off topic. In particular –

    If this post has proved anything, it has shown that none of has the right to make offensive remarks about someone we know nothing about, based purely on assumptions, and lack true knowledge.

    is so way off beam that I wonder if the author had actually read anything that had been said, or was merely giving vent to her prejudices without regard for the facts.

    Freddy was a poof and publicised his deviant sexuality as part of his public persona. He died of AIDS.

    I remarked that one should not equate his actions with “love”. This was not based on assumptions and it was not an offensive statement to make. I have every right to make that remark, which is founded on fact and on the reasonable conviction that it corrupts and distorts the English language to equate the lust involved in sticking one’s prick up another man’s arsehole with the concept of “love”. It demeans and debases “love”.

    To suggest that I, and a few others, should not comment on the unpleasantness of the reality of homosexuality, and to assert that we are being offensive in doing so, is the epitome of political correctness and bubble-headed adherence to societal fashion.

    Whether one agrees with it or not, it is your right to say it and it is another’s right to dis-agree with it. There is love and there is degeneracy. Sex is always a nasty, perverted thing no matter who does it. When the sex becomes the issue and the sole raison d’être of the person then, perhaps, it is perhaps fair to write them off as a pervert. If, however, someone has certain inclinations and makes no point of flaunting it to the world at large it would seem to be a gratuitous offence. The right not to be offended, however, does not exist.

  30. boadicea :

    christophertrier :

    What repulses me is when people make their sex lives a public affair — it shouldn’t be, that much is obvious.

    It doesn’t so much repulse me as make me sad that so many people seem to see themselves only through their sexual preferences. Having a discussion with a young woman one day, she suddenly threw in that she was lesbian, and was a bit stunned when the response was “so what? – How does that relate to the subject under discussion?” The answer, of course, was nothing.

    It is, in my opinion, a sign of insecurity. It is also an insecurity that is, unfortunately, encouraged by many who would exploit “sexual identity” in order to further their own agenda.
    In the United States it has become a wedge issue on both sides of the debate. It has also become a way for some to gain and secure power. The outgoing mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom, for example, secured his political future by getting a lock on the homosexual vote in that city. Even if he does not go far in California politics he can, if he is patient enough, be in politics for as long as he wants. On the other hand, the same issue has been used in states like Nebraska and Idaho to force people into corners.

  31. Christopher

    Certainly, with some, it is a sign of insecurity, but there are also others who flaunt their sexuality as a device to shock and to provoke a reaction. And I chose the word ‘flaunt’ deliberately. One may be able to legislate against discrimination, but one cannot legislate against people having fairly strong views about the subject.

    What I find fascinating about all such discussions is that they always concentrate on male homosexuality, and only in passing mention female homosexuality.

  32. Boadicea: why would people want to provoke and cause reaction? It is simply undignified.
    That applies to both sides of it equally. The fear I have about legislating against discrimination is that it will only create new problems. It starts to make having “socially unacceptable views” a crime.

    If I may be so bold… Female homosexuality is often seen as somewhat less controversial because it doesn’t threaten patriarchal order. (Bare with me, I am trying to keep this as clean as possible) Men are seen, still, as the who and women the whom. Men do “the deed” women “receive” “the deed”. If a man is seen as being the “whom” it becomes more controversial as he is seemingly rejecting the “natural order” of things.

  33. christophertrier :

    Boadicea: why would people want to provoke and cause reaction? It is simply undignified

    You know that, and I know that – unfortunately many do not! Far too many consider it to be ‘modern’ or ‘pushing the boundaries’, I don’t honestly know why people want to do it, but it’s probably been happening for ever.

    The fear I have about legislating against discrimination is that it will only create new problems. It starts to make having “socially unacceptable views” a crime.

    That’s right – couldn’t put it better, and a further problem is made when society goes into a program of ‘positive discrimination’.

    Your explanation makes some sense, but ‘masculine’ females could be seen as being against the ‘natural’ order as well!

  34. Bravo: HIV/AIDS is not limited to the West, however, is it? Nor is stupidity or risky behaviour limited to more backwards parts of the world. (Although stupidity tends to gather in parliaments in higher concentration than anywhere else) Think what you may of the act, but keep in mind that people are people and, unless they do something egregious like molest children, they should be left in peace if they don’t bother anyone. Nota bene, I am disgusted with modern “gay culture” — I’ve been there, done that, seen it all.

  35. Good morning everyone, how are you all?
    Just thought I’d throw in a few facts;

    Bohemian Rhapsody was written by Freddie Mercury in 1975 – it was voted best song of all time.
    Freddie wrote ‘We are the champions’ in 1977.
    Brian May, Queens lead guitarist wrote ‘Too much love will kill you’ in 1988; he was expressing his feelings about the love he had for two women during his divorce.
    (I re-ran the biography’s I have on DVD’s.)

  36. Christopher. Of course not. It is not, however, only stupidity or risky behaviour in more backwards parts of the World that assist the propagation of the HI virus – poor hygiene*, low level STD’s, lesions and minor skin infections are all more prevalent in backwards countries and are all risk factors in the transmission of the virus. The stats and mortality tables are quite clear if you want to look them up. Whether or not anyone wants to insert any part of their body into a tube full of shit is, as you write, a personal choice.

  37. I copied the embed but it’s saying ’embed disabled by request, watch on Youtube’ it doesn’t normally say that Bearsy. At least it can be seen anyway. Perhaps I picked the wrong clip version.

  38. What browsers are you using? We’re both using Chrome… and I’ve just checked it on IE7. I can see it on both.

  39. We’re probably using a different (mirror) server from Australia, one that hasn’t been ‘de-embedded’ yet.

    But whichever, it isn’t your fault, Val. 😀

  40. Phew, it usually is me, if anyone can cock things up, I can.
    Brendano, I hope they can see it, it’s beautiful isn’t it?

  41. valzone … it won’t play for me either but yes, I’ve heard it before and it’s beautiful. 🙂

  42. Oh that’s great Brendano, thank you, I must have chosen the wrong version, although it’s the same as the one I posted, there are more than one. Ta ever so.

  43. Freddie sang La Japonaise with Montserratt Cabelle, magnificent, I have it on DVD but I can’t find a good recording clip on Youtube to put here, worthy of a listen

  44. ‘DISABLED BY REQUEST’on U- Tube means the contributor has put the knockers on anyone trying to embed it, I think, the miserable b’tard.

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