Boadicea needed her signature witnessed on a UK document, and I needed a ‘proof of identity’ copy of my drivers licence notarised, so we toddled off to the local court house to see the volunteer JP.
We have a different system in Australia – well, we do for many things, of course – if documents are to be formalised, it’s a JP who does the deed. He/She is a notary public, authorised to do such things. You find them in shopping malls usually, or if you’re at work one of your mates will probably be a JP, or failing that someone in HR is sure to be. It’s all free, but it’s also very legal – they have a little stamp, and everything. Nothing, but nothing is legal in Australia unless a JP has seen it, signed it and stamped it.
They are almost invariably very nice people – after all, they’re giving their 3 or 4 hours attendance free – and today’s chap was no exception.
We chatted with him, as one does, about things vaguely related to the documents being certified, and he teased us, as is traditional, about being ‘bloody pommie bastards’, and we told him in return what a redneck racist descendent of a convict he was, that we’d chosen our country and had a certificate to prove it, whereas he didn’t. All perfectly normal and friendly (though it’s this sort of thing that terrifies and sometimes offends the more uptight new immigrant and makes them go running home). But I digress.
It wasn’t until I slipped on my driving glasses so that he could check that it really was me in the photo, that our day began to shake. He muttered something about Muslims, and how he wasn’t now allowed to certify their women. We asked him to explain, and it poured out. How Islam is taking over by stealth, how Sharia is quietly taking over in Australia; laws have been modified to accommodate them and their beliefs, all without any publicity, because the pollies are terrified of them.
“Surely not here,” we exclaimed, “we know all about creeping Islamisation in the UK, but Aussies have more sense – it can’t be happening here too. Or is it?” He explained at length that it was, that he couldn’t understand why nobody stood up and opposed it, but they weren’t. He can’t certify identity for a Muslim woman – he has to call a female JP for that. He continued to tell us how all the food companies are queuing up to pay for the privilege of stamping their products ‘halal’, and how the Grand Mufti of Sydney has recently informed the local pollies that Islam would be in charge within 15 years.
He even told us that there are no-go areas in both Sydney and Melbourne, just like the ones in Britain, where non-Muslim Aussies cannot enter. We thanked him for spoiling our day, and left, our illusions shattered.
So forget all that bilge we’ve told you over the years about how Australia is different, how the Mozzies would never be allowed to carry on here like they do in the UK; we were wrong. The only difference is that it doesn’t make the papers here, and there aren’t quite so many of them – yet.
Boadicea's Chariot 
Click to access bulletin-islamic-muslim-women-burka-identity-requirements.pdf
Well, what can I say except….She’ll be right, mate, don’t let it worry you. 🙂
Have you forgotten the Cronulla riots, that was about Muslims, you know? Aussies will let it slip, they’ll even see the wicket fall but when the others least expect it they’ll pull out their Ned Kelly hats.
In my time in Australia I have seen this Muslim stuff twice before, even the coppers move out of the way or they too cop a flogging.
But if all of that were to fail, there’s always me, the nice guy next door who always watches over his mates!! I wont mind releasing someone from this life if that’s what it takes to keep things from changing for my grandson. 😦
Now go on, have a beer, put on the cricket and lets not have any more of that silly Muslim stuff 🙂
Thanks Sipu, that’s pretty conclusive, innit? At least it proves the guy wasn’t pulling my plonker! (Please excuse the Strine, ladies.)
Donald – yes mate, but the thing that really struck home to us was that this stuff’s never in the News – it should be plastered all over! 😦
I said some time ago that people should be careful about emigrating as some of the reasons why they might wish to emigrate are likely to be found in the country in which they wish to be immigrants. Naturally this was met with jeers, scowls, and hours of nastiness. It does not surprise me that this happened to you, Bearsy. I have a business contact in New South Wales, the Sydney area, who has said much the same thing as you have here. In the United States this is happening in some states, but not all. In Florida a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil for a driver’s license picture. The state high court ruled that she did not have to remove her veil, but if she did not she would also not get her license issued as a clear image of the face is required.
Yup, we’ve been naive, Christopher. Time to write to Julia again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
I rest my case.
There’s only about 300,000 of them in Australia, easy enough to knock their movement on the head!
Which case is that, Bravo?
That’s just a normal, ordinary question. It has no emotive overlays. It’s just a request for further information. No hidden meanings.
They swarm like a plague of locusts.
Mornin’ Bearsy. The case I have been making in these pages for a long time. Islam brings with it contempt for the law and social discrimination. A small example, what happens if a traffic cop stops a vehicle for some offence and requests the driver’s licence? How do you ensure that an object in a black sack is actually the person who the licence purports to show? Airport security? Identification at immigration? Concealed faces in public places? And all the rest of it…
What happened to one law for all?
Exactly! Thanks Bravo.
ColdwaterJohn found an Australian police video on this very subject, but he deleted the post containing it before he published it – don’t know why. The poor cop ended up in court for all sorts of ridiculous things claimed by the garbo-bag wearer, but luckily the camera in his car was running, complete with sound. The woman was sentenced to 6 months jail for perverting the course of justice, but she’s currently out on appeal – because she’s got 6 kids. The cop had been faced with the loss of his job, but the Muslim lawyer dismissed that as irrelevant. The woman was telling lies, but he brushed that off too.
Perhaps CWJ can be persuaded to post it again?
You will find it in own own blog if you look back to that date, Bearsy.
I discovered that it was months old – i.e. not fresh news.
You may want to take some leads from Missouri’s State Legislature – although that applied to illegal immigrants: http://theamericanjingoist.net/index.php/2010/09/12/why-missouri-has-no-illegal-aliens/
I fail to see the relevance, CWJ. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain for those of us who are intellectually challenged, like me?
If a policeman in Australia pull over a woman wearing a Burka, he/she has many ways to verify the person’s identity without the need for a visual. Also we have a points identification system as well.
ColdWaterJohn – In Australia we already do that, we arrest illegal aliens and English is the official language.
This problem of identification from behind a face veil has arisen in France too. The French authorities do not give in and receive a lot of abuse from males accompanying the females. You did not make clear, Bearsy, whether a female JP had to be called in specially for such identification. I hope not. Once the veiled ones work out that they have to keep returning to the office in the hope of finding a female JP on duty, they may see sense, though I doubt it. I’m sorry to see that Australia is having the same problems as other muslim infested countries.
It may be the official language – but we still provide translation services for all and sundry.
Not sure Sheona – from what the guy said it sounded as though he had to go and find a female JP for them.
Yes, Sheona, a female JP has to be called in, according to the guy who spoke to us. The official notice that Sipu found makes it less clear. I am still gobsmacked! 😦
I suppose its worth remembering the millions, the English slaughtered for refusing to convert to Christianity.
When and where Val?
What has that got to do with it, Val?
What your ancestors did has no relevance to contemporary Australia – or am I missing something here?
This is from The Australian, but to be honest, he sounds as though he’s a complete fruit-loop!
Boadicea your #20 – and also to Bearsy 🙂
I am flagergasstedwhatever, think this, Cabramatta, Liverpool, Bankstown, as far as Penrith, it’s full of them, they’re as thick as a London Fog, In Parramata alone, the busiest center in Australia, they stand out like sore thumbs with their beards and the old men sitting on benches at the Giant stores, they own virtually all the taxis and kebab vans in Sydney, 80% of the Sydney Railway workers are Muslim, They have a virtual monopoly in concrete work in Wollongong …. Melbourne is worse, they work in virtually all government services
and you worry about a veil and translating services? 🙂
You need to go Mexican, you see, and think all the jobs, you don’t like doing..They do it cheap, ask for no receipt and do the low end work. They paper work is all rubbish to make them think we care for their ways.
The veil and the head hankie is different, those are changes that can only be brought in at school, a voluntary change in the next generation via education.
She’ll be right, mate 🙂
Araminta – He’s no fruit loop, this group is extremely vicious in its wants, very Marxist
As I said, Donald, a complete fruit-loop. He’s been disowned by practically all the Muslim organisations in Australia.
If only it were the fruit-loops, Araminta, we could rest easy. Siddiq-Conlon is a well-known joke. But the notice from the “Justices of the Peace Branch, Department of Justice and Attorney-General” (see Sipu’s link), outlined by our chatty local JP, is something far more serious. That’s a legal recognition of their right to be subject to different laws to the rest of us. Shudder!
Ah, yes, just read it, Bearsy.
I suspect something similar happens here, but I have no idea. I’ll try to remember to ask my JP friend when I next see her, if they have been issued with a similar directive.
I am aware of the different systems but our friend was able to witness signatures on some Australian legal documents for Bilby.
Inter-country document approval can be a nightmare – glad Bilby’s worked out OK.
I had to educate a UK company lawyer by e-mail before he recognised that what he was asking for (quite reasonably in the UK), was impossible in Australia; he eventually recognised that our method was equally “fit-for-purpose”, but it was a struggle for a while. 😕
I’m still waiting to learn about all the millions we killed for refusing to convert to Christianity.
People only have themselves to blame for throwing away their countries.
The only good one is a dead one.
Do tell me when and where this happened, please. It did not happen in the Americas. Even the Spanish, filled with post-Reconquista zeal, did not resort to mass-slaughter of people who refused to convert to Catholicism. The Portuguese certainly had their share of zeal, but they never had the ability to enforce it consistently. So please, give me a time and a place where this supposedly happened. It was not in Africa, it was not in the Americas, it was not in the Antipodes, it was not in India, it was not in China, it was not in Malaya or Borneo. So where was it?
Hi, Bearsy.
I have to say that I was absolutely appalled by your post and by the thought that you have people who go around gratuitously notarising documents. This drives a coach and horses through the very fabric of a civilised society, in my opinion.
Fortunately, I was able to google before the vapours took me completely. I discovered that, in fact, you do things in the same way as us, that only your Notaries Public can authenticate documents required for foreign jurisdictions and that they can charge for their services.
http://www.notarylocator.com.au/notariesExplained.php
http://www.notarylocator.com.au/notary-costs-fees-charges.php
Major row of smiley things, by the way. Our JP’s also do freebies where they are competent and most NP’s will do it for nowt for their own clients.
This is, of course, all displacement activity. On your actual blog content, it’s a worry and I admit that I’m struggling to carry on being a litle Pollyanna in respect of your country or mine. Still, as Donald says, she could still be right, couldn’t she?
Bearsy, in the UK as you are probably aware, there are generations of immigrant families who do not have a sufficient grasp of English to cope with day-to-day transactions, completing government forms, applying to departments for the myriad things we need to do to transact business with government. In the UK, Al Humdullillah, as they undoubtedly think, we provide translation services in about twenty different languages for every shade of origin of our immigrant population, at a cost of millions to the nation. I suspect the same may be so in Australia. I was suggesting that the stipulation that if you want services you need to be able to speak, read and write English to live as a citizen in an English-speaking nation or state, would be an approach worthy of consideration.
JM
Don’t panic – all I needed was someone to witness my signature! Since it was a fairly important document, I thought it better to have a ‘professional’ do that rather than Mrs. Smith-down-the-road.
CWJ
Having a translation service can be very useful. Many years ago, Bearsy and I had to insist on having a translator in a Government Office because we were unable to understand the “English” that woman behind the counter was speaking…
JM – great comment! 🙂
CWJ – Thanks, appreciated! 🙂