This is a C&P

And I apologise, a bit, for being lazy, but I thought it made some interesting points.

Meat is how we convert indigestible vegetable protein into something we can eat. If you eat a cow, you are eating grass or grain in concentrate form.

If veganism is so good for the body, why was there not a single naturally evolved vegan culture? It is because veganism is not sustainable in a hardscrabble subsistence culture. In the bush you eat what you can find when you can find it. There are no freezers, refrigerators, ships from Chile loaded with fresh grapes or planes loaded with berries showing up. It takes a huge infrastructure to support a vegan. The amount of energy consumed just transporting their food and keeping it from spoiling is tremendous.

Ask a Californian and they will say “eat local”. That’s fine in a place where something grows practically year round but tell that to someone from Bemidji, Minnesota … in January. The only local thing you are going to eat is fish you might catch at Joe’s ice fishing shack out on the lake. Maybe if you are lucky and driving around Cumberland, Wisconsin you might come across a rutabaga, but in January the ground will be like solid rock frozen to foot or more deep.

Vegans love to talk about how “sustainable” their lifestyle is. I can buy a lamb in the spring and let it graze all summer. Then I can have it butchered in the winter (so I don’t have to feed it) and it can feed my family over the winter with the grass that it ate in the summer. No airplanes or ships (or lawnmowers) required.

I really don’t like the whole “fundamentalist” religious vegans who try to tell everyone else what they should be doing. It is almost as if they themselves are unsure and if they can convince someone else, then maybe they can convince themselves (someone else bought into it, I must not be all THAT crazy).

If you live in the bush you are NOT getting a varied diet. You are eating what is growing within walking distance of you that day when it is in season. If a rabbit runs by, catching that rabbit probably provides more nutrition than a week’s worth of digging roots and scavenging nuts and berries.

‘Crosspatch’ comment here:  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/20/vegans-are-not-from-vegas/

 

15 thoughts on “This is a C&P”

  1. I always wonder why it is that when people have a dinner party they always do a Vegan dish for the veggies. If a friend of ours comes to eat we have a veggie meal (I am okay with this) as he will not touch meat.

    However when I go there they never give me a steak as I am a meat eater.

    Seems one sided to me ;-_

  2. I gave up meat for a year once, for no other reason than to see what it was like. I stuck it out for the whole year, mainly because my husband said I wouldn’t be able to. Oh boy was it boring and miserable. A year to the day arrived, I cooked myself a massive bacon sandwich….total heaven.

  3. Always is rr, the answer being not to make friends of vegans/vegetarians!

    Bravo, anyone that expects a sheep to feed a family for a winter is going to go mighty hungry!
    Bellingham is home to more than its fair share of freaks, generally wealthy freaks, who are vegans, all of them look whey faced and on the edge of death by the time they are 60 or so I come across a lot of them, common ailments seem to be osteoporosis and arthritis.
    They make me look quite good!

  4. Meat is how we convert indigestible vegetable protein into something we can eat. If you eat a cow, you are eating grass or grain in concentrate form.

    How very true. Cut out the middleman is what I say. I have twelve biting teeth at the front and the rest for chewing MEAT. If God had meant me to be vegetarian I’d have floppy ears and buck teeth.

    OZ

  5. I have a veggie friend who will insist on serving lentils, salads and stuff. I now tell her I have special dietary requirements that involves red meat (with the jockey’s whip marks still showing, preferably) at least once per day and yes, I do take the serious point of your post. I well remember your tussles with Catrina on t’other place.

    OZ

  6. Tina, I’m sure you always look good.

    I eat a lot of vegetables and fruit – veggies make a great accompaniment to a good steak and so does fruit concentrate 🙂

  7. OZ, it’s true, vegetaniarianism and veganism are affectations of industrial society. Another quote from the link:

    Once when I was working in Liberia, in West Africa, they were burning a local sugar cane field. The whole village came out with clubs. They surrounded the fire in a long line. When the fire chased the cane rats out of the burning cane, they clubbed the rats and took them home and ate them. I found out that cane rat fried up in slightly over-the-hill orange colored oil palm oil (no refrigeration) tastes pretty good, although for a couple days afterwards I belched more rancid palm oil fumes than an out-of-tune biodiesel engine …

    And of course cane rat is considered a good thing, meat for the family.

    Here’s the reason why cane rat is a delicacy, why kids lined up to get some of the meat. The villagers that eat that meat are stronger and healthier and more resistant to disease and quicker to heal and faster growing than the villagers who don’t eat that meat. Simple as that. The chance to eat meat doesn’t come up often. When that chance comes up, those people that eat the meat improve their chances of living compared to those who don’t eat meat.

  9. You lost me when you asked ‘why was there not a single naturally evolved vegan culture?

    I couldn’t be bothered to read the rest (although this comment is probably taking me 5 or 6 times longer to type), why is it that you feel a need to criticize other people’s lifestyles?

    Hey, live and let live, that’s what my dad and I fought for all those years ago, each to their own.

    By the way, I’ve always wanted to ask you (you’re welcome to not answer) have your grandchildren been baptized? If they have how do you feel about that?

  10. Soutie, the reason I criticise these particular people’s life-style is because they are, in the main, such sanctimonious bores who have no hesitation whatsoever in criticising mine, at great length, and often.

    And, to answer your question, yes, both of them, Greek Orthodox – and neither of their parents, both half-Cypriots, are church-goers. It’s a rite of passage in Cyprus and makes a pot of money for the children. It’s actually quite a neat sort of revolving loan, as are weddings, everyone puts a tenner or so in an envelope for the bride/groom or child. The you get invited to someone else’s wedding/christening and pay the loan forward.

    As to how I feel about it, it’s sod-all to do with me.

  11. PS. All of my children were christened Greek Orthodox too, on my ex’s insistence. My son is an atheist and the two girls don’t really care either way.

  12. bravo22c :

    sanctimonious bores.

    Funny enough none of my children have been christened or baptized. Even though my wife and I are both Christian minded people I didn’t want to burden my children with a doctrine.

    I enjoy my religion, you will never hear me talk about it on here, it’s a private thing, it’s an emotion that I hold dear, in fact of the 3 years that I’ve been on these boards I mentioned it for the first time yesterday (on B7’s post), perhaps there’s a time and a place for everything.

  14. Bravo, “I criticise these particular people’s life-style is because they are, in the main, such sanctimonious bores.” I think you’ve been meeting the wrong people then! I met a very nice vegan in Cyprus whop was quite the opposite. He lives with his very nice wife half way between Limassol and Larnaka.

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