I didn’t realise that this was said by Lloyd George. I’ve become more ‘socialist’ as I’ve grown older – what does that say about me? Perhaps you’d best not answer that one! 😉
I think it depends on your preferred definition of ‘socialism,’ Boa. I have the same difficulty.
A little wisdom from Wales, I see. Goodnight.
“Lloyd George knew my father, father knew Lloyd George; Lloyd George knew my……. ” Come on, singalonga David Boyo! Yes he was Welsh – doesn’t that tell you anything? 😉
Janus, ‘He is best known as the highly energetic Prime Minister (1916–1922) who guided the Empire through the First World War to victory over Germany. He was a major player at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 that reordered the world after the Great War. Lloyd George was a devout evangelical and an icon of 20th century liberalism as the founder of the welfare state.’W’pedia.
🙂
hmm, never been socialist as it seems to mean “we are all equal but some of us are more equal”
Socialism and any other kind of ‘-ism’ is perfectly fine as long as you are personally at the top of the steamming heap guiding the huddled masses below rather than being guided. Otherwise, it’s ‘same old, same old’ for the masses.
But no matter. All hail David lloyd George, the first modern (ab)user of the ‘cash for honours’ scam and therefore an absolute disgace to British politics, not to mention, allegedly, sheep.
OZ
I thought the quote was down to Churchill and the second part was “If a man is thirty and not a Tory, then he has not got a head”.
In my case, I have never been tempted by the easy path (except for the victims) of it) of socialism.
Oh dear, oh dear, or even Bolleaux! Please read ‘…steaming…’, ‘…it’s…’ and ‘…Lloyd…’
Oh dear, oh dear, or even Bolleaux! Please read ‘…steaming…’, ‘…it’s…’ and ‘…Lloyd…’
OZ
Not too sure about the ‘disgace’ either 🙂
It’s that crazy Internet again, in my opinion! Having done a wee bit goggling, I’m personally coming down in favour of the quote originating with Francois Guizot.
Have to admit that I had always thought that it was Churchill myself but there seems to be a lot of evidence out there in the cyber world that it was Guizot:-
‘Guizot is famous as the originator of the quote “Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head” This quote has been reworked many times, especially in reference to socialism and liberalism. It has been borrowed by or attributed to many notable figures who lived after Guizot, including Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Georges Clemenceau, Otto von Bismarck, Aristide Briand, Woodrow Wilson, David Lloyd George, Wendell Willkie, William J. Casey, and others.’
My grandfather was an accountant and knew Lloyd George through his work: it was by this route that I holiday’d in his lovely house when I was about 7 years old.
It is now used as a base for the Welsh equivalent of the ‘Arvon’ Foundation – and is now home to courses for creative writing. http://www.tynewydd.org/english/home.html
Ironically, Zen, your hero is suspected of being economical with the truth over his own ‘humble roots’ in an effort to prove his fitness to be a leader of common folk.
I’m late, tick, can’t type any more, sorry zen.
Janus, he is/was not my hero by any means, more a case of ‘cometh the hour cometh the man.’I do admire his work as a war leader. Undoubtedly he later got heavily involed in ‘sleaze.’ However, I make no apology for using the quotation even if he was one of many to have said it.
I didn’t realise that this was said by Lloyd George. I’ve become more ‘socialist’ as I’ve grown older – what does that say about me? Perhaps you’d best not answer that one! 😉
I think it depends on your preferred definition of ‘socialism,’ Boa. I have the same difficulty.
A little wisdom from Wales, I see. Goodnight.
“Lloyd George knew my father, father knew Lloyd George; Lloyd George knew my……. ” Come on, singalonga David Boyo! Yes he was Welsh – doesn’t that tell you anything? 😉
Janus, ‘He is best known as the highly energetic Prime Minister (1916–1922) who guided the Empire through the First World War to victory over Germany. He was a major player at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 that reordered the world after the Great War. Lloyd George was a devout evangelical and an icon of 20th century liberalism as the founder of the welfare state.’W’pedia.
🙂
hmm, never been socialist as it seems to mean “we are all equal but some of us are more equal”
Socialism and any other kind of ‘-ism’ is perfectly fine as long as you are personally at the top of the steamming heap guiding the huddled masses below rather than being guided. Otherwise, it’s ‘same old, same old’ for the masses.
But no matter. All hail David lloyd George, the first modern (ab)user of the ‘cash for honours’ scam and therefore an absolute disgace to British politics, not to mention, allegedly, sheep.
OZ
I thought the quote was down to Churchill and the second part was “If a man is thirty and not a Tory, then he has not got a head”.
In my case, I have never been tempted by the easy path (except for the victims) of it) of socialism.
Oh dear, oh dear, or even Bolleaux! Please read ‘…steaming…’, ‘…it’s…’ and ‘…Lloyd…’
😦
OZ
Not too sure about the ‘disgace’ either 🙂
It’s that crazy Internet again, in my opinion! Having done a wee bit goggling, I’m personally coming down in favour of the quote originating with Francois Guizot.
Have to admit that I had always thought that it was Churchill myself but there seems to be a lot of evidence out there in the cyber world that it was Guizot:-
‘Guizot is famous as the originator of the quote “Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head” This quote has been reworked many times, especially in reference to socialism and liberalism. It has been borrowed by or attributed to many notable figures who lived after Guizot, including Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Georges Clemenceau, Otto von Bismarck, Aristide Briand, Woodrow Wilson, David Lloyd George, Wendell Willkie, William J. Casey, and others.’
My grandfather was an accountant and knew Lloyd George through his work: it was by this route that I holiday’d in his lovely house when I was about 7 years old.
It is now used as a base for the Welsh equivalent of the ‘Arvon’ Foundation – and is now home to courses for creative writing.
http://www.tynewydd.org/english/home.html
Ironically, Zen, your hero is suspected of being economical with the truth over his own ‘humble roots’ in an effort to prove his fitness to be a leader of common folk.
I’m late, tick, can’t type any more, sorry zen.
Janus, he is/was not my hero by any means, more a case of ‘cometh the hour cometh the man.’I do admire his work as a war leader. Undoubtedly he later got heavily involed in ‘sleaze.’ However, I make no apology for using the quotation even if he was one of many to have said it.
Zen, I was just teasing. 🙂
Truce!