32 thoughts on “Can some one please explain…”

  5. Labour voters are the sort who would demean themselves so much as to donate floral tributes, but Plod still has some work to do to dissociate themselves from being the paramilitary wing of New Labour

  6. All a result of lowering moral standards and the lovely liberal non judgmental society.

    The police have bought it on themselves by allowing themselves to be politicized and most of the lower and underclass scum have no idea of right from wrong.
    When society finds acceptable single mothers, benefit parasitism, queers flaunting their sexuality, public drunkenness and drug taking, casual violence, graffiti, harassment of the disabled, muslims jeering our troops in the streets and God knows what else. What do you expect?

    The American police would have killed him on sight and quite right too! None of this farting about trying to take him alive, why should they? Waste of public money.
    Of course the Council should have removed the flowers immediately and a policeman should have been stationed there ticketing the peasants for littering offences!

    Why the bloody country doesn’t get a grip is quite beyond me. It does not appear that the conservatives can get a grip either.

  7. Och, there’s never very much wrong with a fine rant or a general ‘O tempora O mores’, in my opinion.

    But, 60,000,000 people in the UK. 30,000 of them sign up to a completely inappropriate Facebook site which has now been taken down as a result of a ‘public backlash’. That’s a massive 0.05% of the whole British population then. It can surely only be a matter of time before the 99.95% of us are swirled down the plughole of history.

    And, when you think about it, all those flowers that the nutters are buying must be boosting the economy which can’t be a totally bad thing.

    Totally synthetic and media-inspired storm in a teacup, as far as I am concerned. T’Internet gives all sorts of loonies their second of fame. Doesn’t meant that the rest of us need to get sucked up into hyper-ventilating about it, again in my opinion.

  8. Insignificant little scrotes. Never been anywhere, done anything but feel they have something to say. A bit like MyT really. Some of the commentators would have their lights punched out on a regular basis if they dared express those opinions in a public place.

    As for the police, what a bunch of tossers! They amble around the countryside carrying more hardware than the SAS did assaulting the Iranian Embassy. They are more likely to shoot an innocent bystander or someone carrying a chair leg than the perp. The police spend more time out of court in the RCJ settling disputes against them then they do on the streets. Wankers!

  10. Boadicea – I’m with Christina on this one. It was one of her better rants. 🙂

    OZ

  11. I don’t actually think it was a rant, quite mild really!
    Compared with what I could have said.
    I bet both the peasant brats and police are terribly glad I am not in residence in ‘Neyland’!
    I gave them both hell, thought nothing of ringing the Chief Constable in Carmarthen and giving a piece of my mind with a repeat to my MP!
    Had quite a good effect, how the literate frighten them when they can’t understand the vocabulary!
    More should do it.
    Awful really, that I have NEVER had the need to do it here.
    What a difference.

  12. CO, unfortunately your gung-ho gun-slinging Yankee cops also kick innocent people to death and spray bullets around populated areas. Do they manage to control the nutter element? No.

    There was an idiot blogger on MyT with whom I locked horns regularly because of his anti-police nonsense. We get the police we deserve and I prefer the UK’s no doubt inadequate version to the Wild West strain any road up!

  13. To the hawkish posters here I say: take care what you wish for. You may be an old soldier with pride in his weapon but can your family, friends and neighbours deal with a High Noon lifestyle? NIMBY.

  14. It never ceases to amaze me, the lack of compassion shown by some people who purport to be decent human beings. Here is a man who quite obviously suffered from some form of mental illness. On more than one occasion he asked for psychiatric help but it was denied him. A rational man does not kill himself. Everybody is quick to offer help and sympathy, even if it is purely superficial, to an individual with physical disabilities, but when it comes to mental disabilities they turn on him with venom. I do not deny that Moat was a dangerous man and that he ought to have been incarcerated. But he was also a very disturbed man. He led a tragic life and died in tragic circumstances. For all the wrong he did and suffering he caused, there are undoubtedly some people who were his friends and who may have even loved him. Some perhaps, are able to forgive while others choose not to judge.

  15. Thanks for the comments!

    While I agree in some part with John that the percentage of the population ‘supporting’ this criminal is small, it horrified me that anyone could consider making the effort to go to a shop, buy flowers and then take them to either Moat’s house or where he died. It shows a great deal more commitment to expressing an opinion than someone merely sitting in their living room simply logging into Facebook. I feel that the flowers should be removed and, if possible, those leaving them should be fined for litter!

    As to the police, it is well known that we have a copper in the family… both Bearsy and I had trouble with the well-known nut on MyT who wanted to kill them all. My feeling is that they did the best they could within the present-day attitudes towards them.

    I certainly would not want the UK police to be armed and go into situations like Wyatt Earp… on the other hand, I find it equally appalling that at almost every move there is an investigation into what they did, why they did it and how it could have been done better. It is not just the media, but almost every Tom, Dick and Harry on the street. It does not surprise me that they are somewhat tentative in their approach to dealing with these incidents.

  17. Sipu.

    The man may have had mental problems and he may have sought help – but when he came out of prison, did he head for the nearest psychologist? No – he headed for the people who could provide him with a gun and the means to carry out his vengeance.

    I find your compassion for criminals and your lack of empathy with the victims to be quite extraordinary. I don’t know if you have ever stood by the bedside of a loved one who has been brutally attacked, or by the grave of a relative or friend who has been murdered. If you have and can still give compassion for the perpetrator of those crimes – well – well done for you. Most people cannot. They cannot but wonder why that person is still walking, talking, eating and enjoying the sunshine whilst their loved ones are lying in the cold, dark earth of death.

    You talk about being forgiving and non-judgemental, I find your comments regarding those who are the victims of crimes and are unable to have compassion for the perpetrators of these crimes to be unforgiving and equally judgemental.

  18. I think I follow on from what Ara has said – the ‘flowers and facebook show of sympathy is indicative of the public (or the local publc’s) indifference and mistrust in the police as well as to general governing bodies of authority. The wave of sympathy almost akin to Moat being hunted as a ‘wounded’ animal.

  19. It’s worse than you think Boa,

    There is a police presence 24hrs a day at Moats home. To protect the floral tributes from ‘vandalism’. I pass it regularly since it is on a bus route. Personally I would love to drop trolley and present a steamer right in the middle of them.

    I’m with Mrs Osborne, the deluded scum who put flowers there should be arrested for littering.

  20. Papa
    It may be that the police are mistrusted, and it may be that some see that Moat was being hunted as a ‘wounded animal’. These are, however, the very people who will scream loudest if and when they are victims of crime and demand that the police do whatever it takes to stop a criminal.

    Ferret
    What can I say – other than that I’m disgusted that these tributes should be protected by the police. When my mother and I saw them on TV the other night we both reckoned it was as well we didn’t live near there or we might be tempted to do something about them…

  21. The gene pool doesn’t miss him a bit – nor would it miss those (expletives deleted,) who put up and signed the facebook page.

  22. Boadicea, of course I have sympathy for the victims, though victimhood does not automatically bestow virtue on the individual. Yes, I have had at least one good friend who was murdered, and many more acquaintances and yes it was tragic in each case. I can certainly accept that some people are callously evil and commit dreadful crimes, though I often think that the only thing that separates them from many other unpleasant people is that they have the guts for it. But there are others who have psychological problems. They need to be protected in the same way that people suffering from senile dementia and Alzheimers need protection. Vengeance is an unattractive trait in anybody – it dehumanises – and I have seen enough tragedy and loss in my life not to be given to mawkish sentimentality. But those two traits seem to epitomise British society.

  23. Janus :

    To the hawkish posters here I say: take care what you wish for. You may be an old soldier with pride in his weapon but can your family, friends and neighbours deal with a High Noon lifestyle? NIMBY.

    I can only assume that by ‘Old Soldier’ you are referring to me? I’m sorry, but I think that you are confusing me with someone else. I have not picked up a weapon since leaving the army in 83. I carried one in the army both on duty and off duty for personal protection at various times. I have no interest in shooting as a hobby, but hold no objections to those that do. Seeing armed police tooled up to the hilt with semi automatic weapons does not fill me with a great deal of confidence. Indeed, when I do see them I think to myself I hope that I’m not around if any of them decide to let rip in a confined space such as an airport! I did read in the papers not so long ago, that the police were looking to obtain light machine guns! One can’t imagine what sort of situation those would be used in? We are not talking of Afghanistan here but crowded cities of the united kingdom. All a bit of overkill as far as I am concerned. At the end of the day, Moat took his own life and the only thing the police did was to shoot him with a taser gun!

    Anyway, I will put up a little post of my own about a couple of occasions when I had dealings with police armed response units.

  24. The uneducated and unknowing praising the unspeakable. I would venture to suggest that this facebook thing is not a million miles removed from the old mob mentality that ruled a few hundred years ago whereby some poor sod was chased by an ever growing mob and ended up swingng in the breeze from a tree. The modern manifestation is the moral outrage shown when someone is identified as a paedophile and a mob complete with hastily assembled banners march through the area demaing his or her demise. I can fully understand the outrage felt but do wonder about some of the hangers on who attach themselves to the march, which turns it into a baying mob and ends up with the home of a paediatrician being attacked. I was struck by an interview at one of these events when a young man of about twenty was aked his views. He freely admited that he had no idea what the march was about but thought it good fun and wanted to ‘support’ whatever it was. He then rejoined, shouting at the top of his voice. As for the face book thing, there are a lot of lonely people who have nothing between their ears but can quote the latest issue of ‘Hello,’ ‘OK’ or ‘Celeb’ and feel they ‘belong’ to something by posting on this website, the owner of which I saw yesterday saying she was not sure why she did it but the man was a ‘uman’. When asked why she took the site down she replied, ‘dunno really, I might put it up again’ and when asked why she said, ‘dunno really, I just might.’ I fully accept the argument that many posters on the site hate the Police with a vengence and the only good copper is a dead one is almosta mantra to them. I think chief officers and the Government should take a very sharp look at this and change the way the police go about their business, which mainly seems to be hounding motorists and the law abiding, leaving the real scum to roam the streets and get away with…murder.

  25. OMG, I looked at the site yesterday, before it was pulled. Most of the posters were jokers, ‘just ‘aving a larf’ (or is is it laff?). One fellow had an image of Gazza inserted in a photo of some of the gun-wielding cops. It takes all types to make the world go round, but having said that I just cannot understand how so many people get their knickers in a twist about something so innocuous.

  26. It shows how low society has fallen. The guy was a murderer and the only good thing he did was kill himself.

    As for the flowers I am afraid I do not agree with any of these idiotic spontaneous floral showings.

    We had a couple near us last year, the kids stole a car and wrapped it round a lamppost and died, so up springs a floral tribute to these “lovely boys, nice lads etc” it turns out they had a string of convictions including GBH, so really nice lads.
    To cap it all the woman whose car was stolen was made to feel bad by the press because she forgot to lock her car and was partly the cause of the accident. Sorry but I think I’m getting a head ache.

  29. Has anyone seen the statistics released recently for the number of “accidental discharges” by armed police officers in the UK? (110 vs. 29 deliberate) I suspect my Firearms Certificate would be withdrawn if I accidentally discharged my weapon three or four times for every time I used it deliberately. With so many of them surrounding Moat it is a wonder we didn’t have any blue-on-blue incidents…
    They had a difficult situation to deal with, not aided by the BBC’s live coverage, which verged on the voyeuristic.
    Had they shot him, there would have been a re-run in the media of the Menezes case probably.I can imagine that is what the press were all hoping for – the story would have run, and run, and run, or am I being unduly cynical?

  30. There’s a story today about a second autopsy because the family claim it wasn’t shotgun wounds that killed him. Same old, same old……..

  31. Tocino, while all ‘A Ds’ are regrettable, (well nearly all), 7 accidents in 7 years, is not exactly a disaster. Figures are compared to the previous period, but it stands to reason that there will be more accidents: more police are armed. Personally, I am against arming the police. Doing so tends to attract the wrong sort of recruit. Policing is a vocation like teaching and nursing. People should do it for the good of society, not for their own personal gain or kicks.

    That being said, I have been handling weapons since I was a child ( I used to go shooting on my own with a shotgun when I was 9). We were always taught never to point any gun of any sort, even toy guns, unless you intended to use it. Trouble is that such a philosophy has been erased from the collective psyche of Britain and people think of guns as some kind of macho toy with which to show off.

  32. Hi Sipu. I’m with you the way re arming the police. Of course, there always will be the need for the Tactical Firearms units or whatever they may be called. As for AD’s (Accidental discharge,) those are commonly experienced by over excited young boys entering to puberty. NG’s (Negligent discharge) are exactly that and accident doesn’t enter into it. It just a case of poor drills and skills. 🙂

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