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Maybe Trump is a fool after all.

The US strike on a Syrian airfield with 59 cruise missiles is an act of unparalleled stupidity. The strike was in retaliation for a Sarin Gas  attack on Syrian civilians allegedly by Assad’s military. Naturally there is ‘incontrovertible’ proof  that the Syrian army is responsible.

Personally I doubt that either Assad or the Russians are stupid enough to use poison gas and as Sarin isn’t difficult to manufacture there is a better than even chance that a rebel  faction had something to do with it in order to elicit exactly this kind of response from the dumb Yanks.

Naturally the UK is tagging along behind the US wagging its tail  like some pathetic lap dog.

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  1. christinaosborne
    April 7, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    I had wondered the same myself. Not that I would trust any of them, or any rebel faction not to use it. I rather suspect that he did it quite so fast merely to knock spots off Obama’s previous red line vacillating. He also wanted to score a point after losing out quite so disastrously on the Obamacare fiasco.
    Welcome to playground politics. The man is a severe case of arrested development!

    On reflection Wilhelm II was equally childish. He always felt inferior to his cousins because of his withered arm. Used to come to visit Victoria and sulk.

    Bodes really well doesn’t it?

  2. April 7, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    Christina. There’s no hope.

  3. April 7, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    Not an unlikely scenario, Jazz. It’s not just the the UK supporting this intervention by Trump most of the EU plus a number of Arab States, Turkey and Israel. Assad’s allies are rather thin on the ground – Russia, Iran, ISIS and a couple of minor players.

    Looking at the media reaction, many of Trump supporters feel as you do and amazingly many of those who didn’t are now supporting his retaliation.

    Meanwhile what a mess and any solution to restore peace in Syria is looking more and more unlikely now.

    I think Trump was wrong or certainly wrongly advised.

  4. April 7, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    Oops, didn’t intend to list ISIS in the pro Assad camp.

  5. April 7, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    Russian MoD: US Missile Attack on Syrian Airbase Prepared Long Time Ago

  6. April 7, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    This whodunnit is an oddball. Too many prime suspects, no evidence. Surprising that even Trump responded so quickly without validation.

  7. April 7, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    Janus: This is all too fishy. Assad has Russia and Iran, two military powers, providing active support and arms to his professional military. He was winning, it was just a matter of time. He had no need to use chemical weapons and he would have known that using them would, if anything, give Western capitals an excuse to become even more involved in the conflict. Most Syrian rebel groups are, in fact, terrorists — moderate, pro-democracy forces were crushed by radical rebel groups and Assad early on.Rebel groups are more likely to take extreme actions in order to stay in the fight a little longer. Crude chemical bombs are relatively easy to acquire and manufacture.

  8. cogitationator
    April 7, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    I doubt that Russia had anything to do with the gas incident. Didn’t they and we go through a process of destroying (most if not all) poison gas stockpiles as well as nukes after the Cold War? About Assad, however, I’m not too sure. His other actions towards his own civilian population haven’t exactly made him a candidate for some humanitarian award.

    Agreed that practically any group could have cooked up a batch of Sarin (is that why my wife tries to keep me out of the kitchen?) and agreed also that the only President we’ve got has enough of a childish streak to attack anything with the name “Obama” connected to it. I still feel that, no matter who was responsible, somebody, somewhere really needed to do something to address this atrocity – something, that is, other than talk it to death in the UN or impose more useless “sanctions.” What better thing to do than a little bombing and who better to do it than the country everybody already loves to hate? Even if Assad himself was in no way involved, I’d remind him that, as nominal leader of his country, he still bears some responsibility, even if indirect. Harry Truman was well aware of this and had on his desk a sign saying, “The buck stops here.”

  9. Boadicea
    April 7, 2017 at 11:20 pm

    Cog – thanks for your contribution – especially the last sentences.

    It is very difficult for me to decide whether it was stupid or not. It certainly shows the foolishness of making threats and then either not carrying them out – or doing what you threaten. As I learnt long ago, be very careful what you threaten…

    So your comment, Cog, that in the end as nominal head of his country, Assad does bear some responsibility for what is happening under his watch has helped me clarify (in part!) some of my feelings.

    But, it has to be a one-off incident.

  10. April 8, 2017 at 8:31 am

    I wonder who hold this “proof” that that the Syrians initiated this attack? The same people that were “able to prove” to Bush and Blair that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction? Who does one think would stand to gain most from any escalation in tension?

    World arms trade figures 2015

    1 United States $154.882 billion
    2 Russia $63.823 billion
    3 France $31.247 billion
    4 United Kingdom $26.914 billion

    I am reluctantly beginning to think American presidents may be being lead by the nose, by those in the “defence” industry who stand to gain (or lose) the most. The cover story doesn’t even change. Remember Chemical Ali who gassed whole villages with weapons that it turned out (post invasion) that they didn’t have?

    Who did use chemical weapons in Iraq?

    Depleted uranium – Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

    “Depleted uranium is favored for the penetrator because it is self-sharpening and flammable. … Only the US and the UK have acknowledged using DU weapons. In a three-week period of conflict in Iraq during 2003, it was estimated that over 1000 tons of depleted uranium munitions were used.”

    Quote from a different source.

    “Once a depleted-uranium round strikes its target, the projectile begins to burn on impact, creating tiny particles of radioactive U-238. Winds can transport this radioactive dust many miles, potentially contaminating the air that innocent humans breathe.This inhalation may cause lung cancer, kidney damage, cancers of bones and skin, as well as birth defects and chemical poisoning.”

    While Trump may (either genuinely or otherwise) condemn the crossing of the “red line” by of the use of gas and the agonising death it causes, does he seriously expect us to believe it’s a “less humane” death for an innocent child than being buried alive under the ruins of your own home or torn to shreds by shrapnel from a bomb?

    Parents will know their child died a slow and painful death, that is what will remain in their memory.

  11. April 8, 2017 at 9:46 am

    James, the yardstick for a head of state is a safe pair of hands. Trump has hardly measured up in any respect.

  12. April 8, 2017 at 11:18 am

    Agreed Janus, The list of those who didn’t measure up is a lot longer than those that did.

  13. April 9, 2017 at 8:45 am

    As I said, who is likely to gain the most

    US officials say 59 missiles were fired from the USS Porter and USS Ross warships which were positioned in the Mediterranean Sea.Each Tomahawk missile cost about $832,000 (£667,000) This would have cost the American taxpayer at least $49,088,000 (£39,353,000).

    “Raytheon stock surged Friday morning, after 59 of the company’s Tomahawk missiles were used to strike Syria in Donald Trump’s first major military operation as President.
    Trump ordered the airstrike on the Syrian government Thursday night in retaliation for a deadly chemical weapons attack on civilians earlier this week that killed as many as 100 people. The U.S. blamed the attack on the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    The Tomahawk missile used in the strike is made by Raytheon (RTN, +1.47%), whose stock opened 2.5% higher Friday, adding more than $1 billion to the defense contractor’s market capitalization.
    The shares of other missile and weapons manufacturers, including Boeing (BA, +0.83%), Lockheed Martin (LMT, +1.17%), Northrop Grumman (NOC, +0.90%) and General Dynamics (GD, +0.93%), each rose as much as 1%, collectively gaining nearly $5 billion in market value as soon as they began trading, even as the broader market fell.”.

  14. April 9, 2017 at 8:53 am

    Assad and the Russians cannot be seen to be succeed.

    The establishment will sacrifice any number of lives just to save face.

  15. April 9, 2017 at 10:15 am

    The Western foreign policies are looking a bit shaky, eh? Telling Pootn to back off! Wrong planet, guys.

  16. April 9, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    Apparently Boris’s Moscow trip has been cancelled.

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